There were a lot of discrepancies in the crime scene that could be resolved by assuming persons other than Texs team made entries into the house. I have the trial transcripts and Rudi Altobelli confirms the dates of who moved in and out and when and who was in the main and guest houses between Melcher's departure and the Polanskis arrival. I wouldn't base any findings on what she says. ONeill also was given access to never-before-seen documents showing that DeCarlo said that Melcher made three visits to Spahn Ranch after the murders and spoke with Manson. Krenny later testified that she was sure the American Flag on the sofa wasn't there during the murders.And the scene was littered with marijuana and cocaine, even though no residues of those drugs were found in the body fluids of the dead.I am now thinking those items were planted at the scene to subtly demonize the victims and to enable police to go off on their sham 'drug burn' diversion. [3] During World War II he enlisted in the . John Irvin interview THE FLASHBACK FILES Who is this O'Neill guy? No way this guy was just there to watch. And that was after he'd already been mentioned by VB.He said it was Reeve who brought him to Bugliosi during the investigationVery interesting the way you put that. This was essential because Sharon and Jay might have put up quite a fight with their martial arts skills acquired from training by the master Bruce Lee. He also shared this with Paul Fitzgerald who told him he already knew this.But it's not true. I hardly think she was looking at furnishings in the house when Tex "sic'd her" on the residents. It was a huge deal here in the Northwest. More on Reeve Whitson - Zodiac Killer Identified Has anyone ever heard of it?Yes, excerps were in the book by Alyssa Statman and Bree Tate. Your own personal encyclopedia or something you had published? Whether he still worked for the CIA, who knows. I've gotta say, I agree with Mon on this one. In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and afterI wondered about that but it works either way. Has anyone ever heard of it?According to the manuscript, Helder told Whitson to cozy up to anyone who knew Frykowskis suppliers, especially those in Mama Casss circle. California Deaths, 1940 - 1997. I've thought to myself many times:what if one of those girls would have come over and talked with me, would I have "followed-her-around? . In the case of Sharon's car, it didn't really matter because the book came out 3 years after the perps were convicted, 5 years after the crime was solved. It came with the house. 'Nuff said.Melcher moved out of Cielo Drive in December of 1968. Brenda ? I've never heard of this Reeve guy in my life, and I've been studying this case for years. He (O'Neill) said nothing to that effect. Ruth Wilson Left The Affair Because She Didn't Feel Safe - Screen Rant Reeve Whitson passed away at age 63 years old on October 25, 1994. Perhaps Manson thought he could recruit me at some point?Who knows?But I will tell you this. Whitson told him that Sharon and four others were dead. The following book about the Nazis, published in 1961 shows this fact on page 1 where the title and name of Reeve Whitson appears. He GAVE his daughter to Manson. Read up on their historyI'm in full agreement with you on this. I saw footage of Manson the other day claiming he'd gone up to the Tate house before Chapman arrived to "see what my children had done." That dude killed 50+ women and bargained for his life. One of the girls actually tried his door knob. He also knew Charles Manson. Did you come down on your own?A: No, I have been called by his office to come downQ:Who was present when you were shown the photographs?A:Mr. Reeves WitsonQ:And Mr. Bugliosi?A:And Mr. BugliosiQ:And yourselfA:And myselfQ:And no one else?A:No one elsebeauders saidwhere have you been?Oh, just lurking for a while. left. The Zodiac Killer and the CIA - Zodiac Killer Identified Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? They do a lot of illegal, ugly things against man's law, and against God's law. When he said it, it seemed credible. William Weston said"Why did he not warn his friends Roman, Sharon and Jay? Her story has changed more than once. Or Sonny Reevwhit.Or Reevie Sonwhit. He boasted about his activities in South America, for instance his involvement in the capture of Che Guevara . Little Paul ?If I come across as harsh, I don't mean to. Ajerseydevil said why Manson's parole was never revoked after all of his arrests for some fairly serious crimesWhy would someone's parole or probation be revoked for getting arrested ? ..the housekeeper* told me, "That flag has always been here. How did O'Neill get the transcript to the book, I heard Debra had it? Lol who knows and also I stand corrected it was a VW microbus Manson traded it for, Regarding Moorehouse living at Cielo I never thought there was anything to it then I was listening to a recorded interview with Tom O'Neill who wrote the Chaos book, he said Altobelli told him that Melcher did let Moorehouse live at Cielo off and on during the summer of 1968, apparently this was one of the things O Neill asked Bugliosi in one of their many interviews for the book, O Neill said he started finding so many inconsistencies between that Bugs said publicly and what Melcher told him privately that Vince got so paranoid that he started threatening Tom about putting the things he heard from Melcher in the book. Winifred Chapman claims the flag was there so either you take the word of a murderess or the flag was on the couch when Chapman left on Friday afternoon and then put back by whoever went back to the scene, perdonallp I believe it was there and Krenwinkels goofy ass didn't notice it or just plain lied, like Harold True said "Krenwinkel carries her brains in a lunchbox" lol. Reeve John Whitson 1924 1994 Indiana California Reeve John Whitson, 1924 - 1994. They weren't even in the same vicinity while True lived at the house next door.And personally, I wouldn't read O'Neill's book unless someone bought it for me and gave it to me. In order for me to know "better" you need to stop speaking in riddles and like Nehemiah, say it straight and say it straight where you're blogging ! He was a very dark player. Maybe Whit Reeveson is like an imaginary friend. Manson says the program was meant to "keep him out of jail." Yeah everything's okay, just some stuff I've gotta get thru. Now, we have 2 men claiming to be the driver of the white sports car on the night of the LaBianca killings and a virtual "after hours" Cielo party involving Robert Linkletter, Charlie, the mystery partner and Reeve Whitson.Blimey !In spite of his disclaimer to Rosenfelt, I think he was part of the plot to kill them and subsequently got involved in the subsequent cover-up of the role of the CIA and military intelligence in the murders. LONG before O'Neill's book CHAOS came out, I was tracking Reeve Whitson because his name came up in the ORIGINAL Tate-Labianca trial transcripts. O'Neill mentions the story of Manson going back to the Tate house with a "mysterious partner." About the same time, the dogkeeper William Garretson, arrived back at the guest house, transported by hippies in a van who gave him a ride from Sunset Boulevard. A.F.S., Colonia Dignidad, von Braun, Kissinger, Ruby, and Giancana are some of the major players. "pg193Whitson's wife, Ellen Josefson: "He was working for the CIA""He(Whitson) said that his mother and Sharon Tate's mother were close" she said.pg196Linda Ruby, cousin to Whitson: "He(Whitson's father) knew that Reeve had planned to visit the Cielo house the night before"pg199FBI agent Roger "Frenchie" LaJeunesse: "Reeve Whitson was a part of putting the book together, the linchpin between all of us. They were estranged at the time and that was the only way for him to track her. The morning after the murders, his father realized his son had not been home. It's a matter of public record, I've seen the court documents but I don't remember where, I think those were the same charges Dean and Tex borrowed Melchers car to drive to court for. I have to confess to a certain amusement at the personages you drag out to lend credence to your theories of the moment. In my research into a close friend's father (Elwood "Red" Franklin Williams) that was active in the Laurel Canyon activities back then, I found much of Red's info matched the info on Whitson. !A beating within an inch of his life! Reeve Whitson, Jolly West, Sidney Gottlieb. If the man had any relationship with the US government, he'd have had health coverage. According to Bobby Jameson on his blog, he and his friend Harvey Dareff were at or near the Tate house the night before the murders. Speaking of Dean Moorehouse at Cielo Drive, I thought the following quotes in Tom O'Neill's article "The Holes in Helter Skelter" show that he was indeed at the house but during the summer of 1968.Tom O'Neill writes:But when had Moorehouse taken up residence in the Cielo Home? O'Neill also quotes the LAPD's Lt. Helder, who refers to Whitson in the book "Five Down at Cielo Dr" under a pseudonym "Walter Kern," confirmed by LaJeunesse. Hopefully I can get on in the next couple of days. Hey grimtraveller,I'm also glad you're backPlease check-out the comments from this blog-posthttp://www.lsb3.com/2019/08/leave-something-witchy.html?m=1pertaining to comments by myself, Bobby, & Ms Katie regarding"The Construction Site. But a lot of people only see what they want to see and if they don't want to see the truth because they don't like it then they won't see it. He got a call from Reeve Whitson at 7:00 in the morning, a full NINETY minutes before Winifred Chapman arrived at the Cielo house. The Affair ran on Showtime for 5 seasons, only recently ending in November 2019.The show follows the marriages of Cole (Joshua Jackson) and Alison Lockhart (Wilson), and Noah (Dominic West) and Helen Solloway (Maura Tierney). He was connected with Nazis, top US Gov. Along with Zamora's book {of whom he is highly critical} and John Baer's wife's book, it is gold dust for seeing the jury's perspective. The Hatami incident would not have taken on such magnitude for them {other than the fact that Bugliosi tried to use it to establish that Manson had seen Tate and vice versa} if Tex and Charlie had been such regular visitors while a Family accolyte actually lived there. He'd been talking to Gregg Jacobson about a race war {known then as "the shit is coming down" but it was very general} since they first met in May of '68. Seems like his job was to insinuate himself into every possible source of information. Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. "Yes, it's true, there was a flag draped over the back of the sofa. William Weston said Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. I actually have been checking in most days since May. Reeve Whitson: Builder, Seller, and Driver of Race Cars Reeve Whitson Photos and Premium High Res Pictures - Getty Images My desire is to share info about Whitson and my friend's father to discover the alias her father was using back then. It's almost inevitable, however, even if only in a small way but I get wary eventually, if I find myself saying the same thing again and again.Incidentally, big thanks to you for mentioning the "Inside the Manson jury" book by Herman Tubick. He lived in 1940, at address, Indiana. He also confirmed a detail from Ed Sanders The Family that Melcher had let him borrow his Jaguar for the long drive to Ukiah.So Buglisois timeline was wrong and Melcher lied to me. In January the actual mechanics of HS were barely formulated in Charlie's mind. They weren't there particularly long and so people trying to weave the "someone rearranged the scene afterwards" line of thought is onto a loser if they try to utilize the memories of the killers and how they left the scene. For some it was possibly a fascinating exchange because as is your wont, you tend to be a great promoter of intrigue and mystery and you have a way of seeming like you have some dynamite for demonstration..but it never explodes. It had been there ever since Voityck and Gibby (Abigail Folger) moved in. This comment has been removed by the author. After reading Chaos, I find Wilson to be a very compelling figure in the Manson case. You ought to get a hold of the trial testimony of his parole/probation officer, Samuel Barrett. Versions of how the flag got there:Coroner, Thomas T. Noguchi and Joseph DiMonapg132the large American flag draped over the couch. Lamar said A lot of people only see what they want to seeUnless of course you have no agenda to begin with.Open your minds!Does not the fact that there are so many alternative theories cause you to open your mind and wonder why ? Was Charles Manson a CIA lab rat? : r/HighStrangeness - Reddit